Marvin Shilmer

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  Dr Applewhite and Conti's case

  by Viva la Vida in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  this is from conti's appeal veredict:.

  monica applewhite, a clinical social worker and an expert on child sexual abuse, testified for defendants that watchtowers policy against disclosing private information .

  very closely mirror[ed] the codes of ethics of the national association of social workers and the american counseling association.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  I think the reference to "prostitute" is misunderstood by you in this instance...

  In Dr. Applewhite I see a woman who's not the expert I'd prefer for the work she did for Watchtower. On this forum I've seen accusations heaped upon her that insofar as I can tell are unevidenced (e.g., that she did something illegal or unethical in Louisiana, USA). Then I see her called a prostitute in relation to her work with Watchtower versus her religion of preference, which is Catholic. That's way too personal, and I don't think it's called for. I see participants piling on the wrong person, and some of it is no more than allegation.
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  Dr Applewhite and Conti's case

  by Viva la Vida in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  this is from conti's appeal veredict:.

  monica applewhite, a clinical social worker and an expert on child sexual abuse, testified for defendants that watchtowers policy against disclosing private information .

  very closely mirror[ed] the codes of ethics of the national association of social workers and the american counseling association.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  What a prostitute, she's willing to take money and then say what ever the GB want her to say all the while the organization she's defending views her as a Catholic zombie just waiting to be destroyed at Armageddon.

  I'm sorry but I find comments like that to be very sexist and needlessly demeaning. I don't think Applewhite is everything I'd expect of an expert witness, but I see no reason for comments such as this. None at all. We should take care not to become the thing we detest.
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  Dr Monica Applewhite!

  by username in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i'm just listening to this so called doctors testimony.

  where did the watchtower dig her up from.

  her answers have mostly been maybe's and i think!.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Applewhite's own letter...

  Where is this letter available to read?
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  Dr Monica Applewhite!

  by username in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i'm just listening to this so called doctors testimony.

  where did the watchtower dig her up from.

  her answers have mostly been maybe's and i think!.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Marvin... point 27 and down. It clearly lays out the evidence. And clearly states Applewhite's response.

  No disrespect intended, but that court filing is not evidence of anything other than a claim against Applewhite; it only represents allegations (claims) by the plaintiff. I see no evidence produced in this particular instance supporting an assertion that Applewhite was unprofessional, that she falsified reports, refused to correct false reports, or that she failed in her legal obligation to report cases of child abuse.
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  Dr Monica Applewhite!

  by username in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i'm just listening to this so called doctors testimony.

  where did the watchtower dig her up from.

  her answers have mostly been maybe's and i think!.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  I am astonished that her terms of reference as a consultant for the organization were limited to reviewing what the Watchtower published in its journals and other publications ...

  Me too. In particular it demonstrates astonishing preferential treatment of Watchtower's position to presume what Watchtower publishes represents general sentiment held among rank-and-file membership. Talk about letting the fox guard the hen house!!!
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  Dr Monica Applewhite!

  by username in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i'm just listening to this so called doctors testimony.

  where did the watchtower dig her up from.

  her answers have mostly been maybe's and i think!.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Marvin, this is the link to court document:...

  I read all that, but I don't see evidence of falsified reports or refusal to correct reports. All I see in those documents is claims made by the plaintiff suing Applewhite. So what is the evidence that she conducted herself unprofessionally?
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  Dr Monica Applewhite!

  by username in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i'm just listening to this so called doctors testimony.

  where did the watchtower dig her up from.

  her answers have mostly been maybe's and i think!.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Her conduct was seriously unprofessional in that case, and, even when she was confronted with the evidence that she had falsified reports of abuse, she refused to correct her report. If Stewart and McClelland haven't read about that case, they should.

  Is that based strictly on allegations filed with the lawsuit? Or, have you seen whatever response she made to requests to support claims alleged of her in that lawsuit?

  PS: I also read the letter sent to Applewhite by the school system, but again this is their side of the story and not her response. Have you seen her response to allegations in that case?
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  Dr Applewhite and Child Abuse

  by snare&racket in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am shocked that an expert would simply examine only the literature given to her by the organisation she was defending and simply accept it.

  also the ease she has in making huge sweeping statements when comparing the jw's to all other international religious organisations simply undermines her professionalism.. i am also thoroughly shocked at her blatant, 'expert for hire', 'will defend anyone' apparent decision making, the organisation is responsible for covering up thousands of abuse victims by its own records, in australia alone!

  never mind their judicial process being heartless and traumatic!.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Her qualifications are sorely lacking, according to the Royal Commission.

  My impression is Applewhite might be pretty good at offering advice on how to improve an organization's policy in response to child abuse, but when it comes to standing up in public for a policy that has weaknesses she's not very objective about admitting those weaknesses along with her recommendations for improving them. In Watchtower's case the RC had to lead her to weaknesses in Watchtower policy and then practically drag admissions out of her that the weaknesses exist. Telling to me was how she was willing to accept what Watchtower published in its own literature as representative of how JWs in general feel. This is not objective in the least!

  This gal was hired by Watchtower to do one thing: make its policy look nicy-nice to the RC. Problem is, that's not what the RC is concerned with. The RC wants to know what are the weaknesses in Watchtower policy and what is going to be done about those weaknesses. Applewhite spent her time on the stand attempting an apologia when she should have concentrated on sharing objective expertise regardless of who paid her.
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  In Shocking Testimony, Jehovah’s Witnesses Reveal They Feel No Need to Protect a Child From a Pedophile

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  article from jwvictims.org:.

  http://jwvictims.org/2015/07/30/in-shocking-testimony-jehovahs-witnesses-reveal-they-feel-no-need-to-protect-a-child-from-a-pedophile/.

  in shocking testimony, jehovahs witnesses reveal they feel no need to protect a child from a pedophiletoday, many former jehovahs witnesses are clinging to every word said during the australian royal commissions inquiry into institutional responses to child sex abuse.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Watchtower has taken plenty of religious positions without concern of what is legally required. My hope is in this case that Watchtower will establish a religious position that without fail it will have local elders immediately report allegations of child abuse to local secular authorities for those authorities to investigate or not as they please.

  I've heard the crapola arguments suggesting that such a policy would impede child rapists from confessing their sins and therefore push perps further underground. I don't care. Pedophiles need to know they have nowhere to hide in plain sight anymore, and it will not matter whether the predator confesses or not because sooner or later a victim or victims are going to talk, or someone with suspicion is going to make the allegation. Then let secular authorities deal with it as best they can. That's the best we have at the moment for hindering further victimization of our children.
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  Dr Monica Applewhite!

  by username in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i'm just listening to this so called doctors testimony.

  where did the watchtower dig her up from.

  her answers have mostly been maybe's and i think!.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Out of its millions of followers, it's telling that Watchtower fails to bring forth one who's a female trained in social science with expertise in the field of good practice in response to allegation of sexual molestation who'd be willing to say Watchtower's policy to EVER have a victimized woman face a MALE-ONLY tribunal and her MALE offender, and without SUPPORT in the room, is good practice.

  Oh. I forgot. Watchtower frowns on higher education. And, now that I think about it, it's doubtful that a member female who's ever lived through this nightmare would be willing to say it's good practice. In each case an outsider would be better suited.